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Post by kanegunlock on Jun 18, 2007 15:27:00 GMT -5
when did he say that
"the Power of the Dark Side " if that doesn't say Evil then I don't know want does
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Post by vampirate321 on Jun 18, 2007 15:28:56 GMT -5
BUT THIER STUFF ISNT ALL EVIL, AND BESIDES THAT, THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE DONE. THEY DONT SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR A "COSEN ONE" THEY ACT WHEN NEED BE AND THEY REACH MANY OF THEIR GOALS
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Post by frikanzee on Jun 18, 2007 15:40:22 GMT -5
yeah, the reason the jedi can never beat the two sith is because teh sith act on impulse, while the jedi are...well...yeah. hippies. i mean, can't u just imagine qui gon and obi wearing tie di shirts and chillin on beanbag chairs bein' all like 'just chill, man, go with the flow! think it out, and it'll all make sense, dude, peace out"
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Jun 18, 2007 16:04:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Frik. Thanks, Vam. In fact, want another quote? "Anakin, do you think the Sith did not know of this prophecy? Do you think we would simply sleep while it came to pass? The Jedi submission to fate... this is not the way of the Sith." - Darth Sidious You know what else is stupid about the Jedi? The way they walked into the Chancellor's office and said, "Oh, by the way: we know you're a Sith and we're going to kill you. Now, could you wait a moment while we say philosophical things about light and dark?" Someone with a brain would have walked in there, made small talk for a few minutes, then just lunged at him with the lightsaber. THAT might have had some effect. Sith go with quality, not quantity.
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Post by Unlogged Schmergo on Jun 18, 2007 20:41:44 GMT -5
Technically, one definition of evil is any act in which people are treated like things. This isn't my opinion, this is a definition. So it's actually really easy to define evil.
For example, Scar is evil. If you've ever heard the "Madness of King Scar" from the Lion King on Broadway, the part of the song where he decides he wants a queen-- not because he is in love, but because a family line is the way to immortality-- definitely shows this, as does the way that all of his plans for rulership revolved around other creatures' esteem for him, not his plans for them.
Using people or harming people to get what you want is evil. If I pretended I was friends with some person, let's call her Jenny, just so I could get to know her brother who I found cute, that would be evil. Killing a room full of innocent people who might get in my way of my plot to overthrow a king is also evil.
So that's what evil really is.
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Jun 19, 2007 8:18:00 GMT -5
The Sith try to avoid killing rooms of innocent people whenever possible.
Well, technically, with Scar, if the aforementioned queen knew Scar's motives and accepted them, that would be fine. Marrying for status.
I'm on a roll with the quotes here, so let's have one from Machiavelli, eh?
"Well used are those cruelties (if we can speak of the use of something inherently evil for good) that are carried out in a single stroke, done out of necessity to protect oneself, and are not continued but are instead converted into the greatest possible benefits for the subjects. Badly used are those cruelties which. although being few at the outset, grow with the passing time instead of disappearing. Those who follow the first method can remedy their condition with himself and with men...; the others cannot possibly survive." -Niccolo Machiavelli
Ta da! I love it when other people say what I want to say for me. *hugs my copy of The Prince*
Erm... that doesn't say Evil to me. It says that the Dark Side is powerful. But we already knew that, eh?
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Post by kanegunlock on Jun 19, 2007 10:57:42 GMT -5
Aku the sith are Evil were not saying that you can't be one because there Evil .THEY ARE EVIL and thats what Gorge Locus intended them to be so stop denying it
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Post by demonchild on Jun 19, 2007 13:50:40 GMT -5
YEAH...what r we talking about
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Post by kanegunlock on Jun 19, 2007 14:21:06 GMT -5
wether Sith are Evil or not
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Post by demonchild on Jun 19, 2007 14:22:44 GMT -5
of course they are
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Post by salthegemini on Jun 19, 2007 15:09:18 GMT -5
NO REALLY? see I always thought that the sith were cute and cudley. thanks for bursting my bubble. The sith is like synonomous w/ evil! how can you be debating about that?
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Post by demonchild on Jun 19, 2007 15:12:24 GMT -5
were bored obviously
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Jun 19, 2007 15:30:20 GMT -5
In case you hadn't noticed, George Lucas is Jedi-biased. XP The Sith are not evil. Sorry. I, personally, don't believe that either the Jedi or the Sith are evil. Some of the Sith have been evil, perhaps, but some of the Jedi probably have been too. You only classify them as evil because you don't agree with them. Could we please try to have an intelligent debate instead of posting "zomg lyk the sith are uber evyl ya" over and over again? By the way, Kane... if the Sith are evil, yet you're not saying I can't be one, doesn't that imply I'm evil myself. What are you doing hanging out with such evil people? Wouldn't tolerating me make you evil?
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Post by demonchild on Jun 19, 2007 15:32:26 GMT -5
no...just an easygoing person thats all
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Post by frikanzee on Jun 19, 2007 17:03:43 GMT -5
we are bored, aren't we? ah, well... the sith aren't supposed to be mindlessly evil monsters, like most villans. look at scar. "oh, my, i'm younger so i don't get to be king!" well, duh! more childish villans are evil just because the hero needs to fight someone. the sith provide a philosophy. they're not necessarily evil. sure, you've got your yo-yos who just find it more convenient to use the dark side because they want power fast and no major hinor code like the jedi have. the jedi were formed to defend the republic, and thus need power controll. a lot of the code is just politics. the sith are more freelance, and a bit selfish as a rule (sorry, aku) but you don't just decide "i'm gonna be a sith" and are suddenly on santa's "naughty" list.
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Post by Schmergo on Jun 19, 2007 17:12:29 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, you don't know the song... in the song, he's forcing Nala to marry him through blackmail for status. She doesn't want to, but he's king, so he's makin' her. You should listen to the song 'cos it's good: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAfz6bEUfRADon't worry, I didn't say the Sith regularly kill rooms of innocent people, I was just creating another scenario of using people of things other than using Jenny to get to her brother. ^_^ I didn't want to make it seem like all the Sith were obsessed with Jenny's brother! (Though that would be an interesting plotline...) Because Kane realizes that since Star Wars aren't real, you can't genuinely be a Sith, so he doesn't really care all that much. He's saying that the fictional characters are evil. Kind of like if someone said Slytherins were evil (not true) and still hung out with you, who would be a Slytherin if you went to Hogwarts... but there's no such thing as Slytherin or Hogwarts, and there's no such thing as the Sith. Woo! (That's why I like fictional villains. They're not real people. If they were real people, I'd despise them for being horrible and evil.)
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Jun 19, 2007 17:46:35 GMT -5
SCAR FORCES NALA TO MARRY HIM IN THE MUSICAL???!!!! ? Well, the Sith may actually have been created by George Lucas to be mindlessly evil, but then... character developement occurred! Most characters are created at first as two dimensional boring things. At least, that's what happens with mine. It varies, people. That's what it comes down to. Some Sith are evil. Most aren't. Just like Schmergo's Slytherin example, which I'm commandeering, you can't say that all Slytherins are evil. Some are. Most aren't. Ta da! Schmergo, did you know that Jedi and Sith are official religions in England and Australia? Mufufu. Just being annoying, but it's true. There are a lot of people out there who agree with Sith philosophy, and we are neither evil nor fictional. Can we please shift to the Jedi? I want to point out all the flaws in the arguments Kane will use....
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Post by kanegunlock on Jun 19, 2007 17:55:26 GMT -5
You know what I give up there is no use convincing her ya know what the Sith are Saints for all I care
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Jun 19, 2007 17:57:46 GMT -5
Nooooo! You're the only person who completely disagrees with me! Come back....
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Post by kanegunlock on Jun 19, 2007 18:08:16 GMT -5
well you still got schmergo
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