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Post by HeidiGirl on Dec 22, 2007 13:04:25 GMT -5
I'm half German, but the only time I've gone to Germany in the past seven years was for this school competition, my friend for clair wrote the skit we had to preform. I played a grandma. The skit was super cheesy, but the first draft was worse, ('Home isn't a place, it's a feeling!' Gag me.) Although we won third place, not bad. - H.G.
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Post by theaceofspades on Dec 22, 2007 14:42:30 GMT -5
germany cool
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Post by DARTH MAUL on Dec 22, 2007 21:13:46 GMT -5
"Home isn't a place, it's a feeling"? WHAT?!? That is the corniest thing I have ever heard!
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Dec 22, 2007 21:32:52 GMT -5
That was highly insightful.
It belongs on a Hallmark card. A Hallmark card in a Disney movie. Or possibly a sappy commercial for a Disney movie about a young bear cub who writes Hallmark cards. Was that what the skit was about, by any chance?
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Post by HeidiGirl on Dec 24, 2007 9:43:19 GMT -5
Ah yes, well, my friend was on a sugar high, and it was midnight, so you do the math. The story is about this young woman named Zoey, who is on a quest to discover her long lost great aunt Jennifer. (hey, I didn't make up the names!) She discovers the mysterious island of Ediserap, where her great aunt lives.
By the way, who is a fan of 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame'? Not just the Disney version. I'm wondering. - H.G.
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Post by Schmergo on Dec 24, 2007 12:04:28 GMT -5
And the island is PARADISE backward! *Feels very clever, even though that was obvious*
I am a massive fan of Hunchback, both Disney and the real book (I actually read the book before I saw the movie). I don't know anyone else who's read the book, but... despite Victor Hugo's fondness for humongous tangents, I love it. And I love Gringoire and Jehan, and wish they were in the movie. Even though I HATE Phoebus in the book. (I love him in the movie. He's so adorable.)
Frollo is one of the most complex literary villains I've ever seen!
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Post by Kiren Brockett on Dec 24, 2007 12:19:43 GMT -5
But, Victor Hugo's tangents are what make the books good... Yay for Waterloo, bishops, argot, and gamins!
Schmergandra, does our library have a copy of the book? I ought to read it, if only for Frollo.
Technically, it's Pareside. But, close enough.
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Post by Schmergo on Dec 24, 2007 12:49:52 GMT -5
Aku-- I own about three copies of the book. You can definitely borrow mine.
Frollo is amazing. Gringoire is even awesomer because he's an unabashed loser with an incredibly high opinion of himself. Frollo's little brother Jehan is pretty cool, too.
But the tangents in Hunchback are worse than those in Les Mis. The ones in Les Mis actually kind of relate to the story. In Hunchback, they're just... really random. You have to really force your way through the first several chapters.
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Post by HeidiGirl on Jan 11, 2008 8:03:23 GMT -5
Hi! Sorry I've been gone for so long! I've been on vacation. I was soooooooooooooooooo cool!!! I went to Slovenia and Hungary and Austria and Slovakia (and that was horrible grammar!)!
Anyway, back to the topic. I got the book from the school library awhile ago, but they only had the 'Great Illustrated Classics edition', so I haven't actually read the whole book. Although I do know the story, and a good movie interpretation of it is the old, black & white version starring Charles Laughton and Maureen O'Hara; it keeps to the book the best (in my opinion.) Also, there's this French musical (It's only singing, so I guess it's more like an opera) that has awesome music called Notre-Dame de Paris. Some parts are a bit (how do I put this), PG-13, but otherwise it's really good. If I remember right, YouTube.com did have some of the songs, if they haven't taken them off, but listen to it in the original French, because they have translated it, but this musical just doesn't translate well. Okay, I have been ranting for way to long, but oh well! I just to peppy (is that actually a word?) to care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - H.G.
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Post by Remora on Feb 28, 2008 18:44:01 GMT -5
Join us next week for the John Mandrake Moment! (No, I did NOT marry him...) Ha! My friend married me to Remus Lupin in the middle of the local swimming pool...but this may have had something to do with the fact that I had pronounced her "Mrs. Tom Riddle" moments before. Is she the mean one, or am I? (By the way, she has a thing for Voldemort)
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Post by theaceofspades on Feb 28, 2008 20:21:28 GMT -5
creepy married to a snake man
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Post by Schmergo on Feb 28, 2008 20:23:37 GMT -5
WHO DOESN'T HAVE A THING FOR VOLDEMORT!
Well, I had a very bad dream about marrying John Mandrake... also, once I had one about Draco Malfoy, but that was a weird arranged marriage dealie. And in the same dream, I was lying on the floor of my aunt's bathroom watching "Shrek 2."
HeidiGirl-- I'm familiar with the French musical! It's pretty awesome, but I prefer the German stage version and the Disney movie (the German stage version has German versions of the same songs from the Disney movie, plus a whole bunch more added, and it's way darker and ends with Esmerelda dying).
I've never seen the old movie, but there's this really good site with summaries of all of the movies of Notre Dame, and apparently that one has a NICE Archbishop Frollo (AAAGH!) where his brother Jehan was the evil one, Phoebus DIES (he's the only character who lives in the book!), Gringoire the wimpy poet is mysteriously manly and saves Esmerelda and they live happily ever after instead of dying *but is actually goofy and cool*, Clopin had a WIFE and was a FATHER FIGURE to Esmerelda, Fleur de Lys never marries Phoebus or does anything because Phoebus dies, and the whole movie's about the PRINTING PRESS and the POWER OF WORDS. But that's at least more accurate than the Disney movie, and I loved that! I'd like to see that movie.
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Post by Broker of Darkness on Mar 16, 2008 2:18:03 GMT -5
um... Anyway..I read the actual book the movie was based on... Like...Almost everyone dies...
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Post by Schmergo on Mar 16, 2008 6:41:25 GMT -5
I know, don't they? Except for Phoebus and Gringoire... I liked the part where Quasimodo picked up Jehan and swung him around in circles and basically smashed him to bits.
Didn't you love Frollo, though? Like, not as a person, as a well-written character. (I also liked Gringoire a lot... despite his slightly inappropriate attachment to Esmerelda's goat.)
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Post by theaceofspades on Mar 20, 2008 0:44:53 GMT -5
Man why does no ever call Disney on this stuff
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Post by Schmergo on Mar 20, 2008 8:41:00 GMT -5
Because both versions are lovely... just in very, very different ways.
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Post by HeidiGirl on Mar 22, 2008 12:33:02 GMT -5
I just finished rereading the book. Fleur-de-Lyss is one of my favorite characters simply because she reminds me of the character Amber in the musical 'Hairspray'. The ending of the book really made me cry though. Djali is hilarious though, with her impressions of various city officials. But near the end of the book, Gringuire (I spelled that wrong) annoyed me with his reluctance to rescue Esmeralda (who, though a bit of a brat, don't ask how I came to that conclusion, is a good person.) I agree with Schmergo's opinion of Phebos in the book, you hate him from the moment when he first opens his mouth to speak. The old movie version is a lot closer to the book, and apparently it inspired a lot of stuff in the Disney version. -HG P.S. Did I mention that I just read the 'Scarlet Pimpernel' and looooooooooovvvvvveeed it? ??!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Schmergo on Mar 22, 2008 16:50:44 GMT -5
SHE'S BACK! Whoa, I sounded like Fudge when he saw Voldemort in the Ministry in the fifth Harry Potter movie...
Oh my gosh, dude, you are so right about Fleur-de-Lys... she DOES remind me of Amber. That's awesomeful. You know, Gringoire (you came very close in your spelling) is a complete selfish coward, and that's kind of why I liked him... it seemed to me that Victor Hugo was putting himself into the story and making fun of himself. It's just such a dark book, and then you have someone like Gringoire thrown into the mix. The whole Grintoire/Djali thing reminded me of Aberforth Dumbledore... but that's just me.
Esmerelda is kind of a brat... I think it's all the pouting that did it. But then, she's Victor Hugo's perception of a lovely woman, and that was written a long time ago, back when the world's view of women was different. Cosette from Les Miserables, which he also wrote, can also be a bit of a brat once she's grown up.
YOU READ SCARLET PIMPERNEL? I adore that book... Marguerite's another one who's a bit of a brat, but who cares. Percy is awesome...I love when he's irritating Chauvelin. And in my opinion the musical's even better (in the musical, Chauvelin is intentionally sexy and is Marguerite's former lover, which adds an interesting dynamic to their relationship... and Percy's even more of a ridiculous idiot). One thing that the book has that the musical lacks, though, is the suspense. In the book, you don't know who the Pimpernel is; in the musical, you know from the start.
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Post by Ankh on Mar 22, 2008 19:09:59 GMT -5
I despise the original phoebus! HE'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST JERKS I'VE EVER READ! GLAD HE DOESN'T EXIST! HE MAKES ME SO MAAAAAAAAD!
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Post by Schmergo on Mar 22, 2008 19:19:55 GMT -5
Luckily, the original Phoebus is supposed to be a big jerk, so he's not as bad as, say, Bridget from "The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants," who simply makes my teeth itch with hatred!
If they make a new movie that's accurate to the book, here's who I think should play who:
Dom Claude Frollo: TERRENCE MANN, BABY. Esmerelda: Amy Adams. For some reason, she's who I imagine whenever I read Esmerelda, even though her hair is red. But hey, Esme is not a native gypsy; she was adopted. So that works, I guess. Quasimodo: Some awesome unknown. Phoebus: William Moseley... he irks me to NO END. As does Phoebus. Perfect match! Gringoire: Hmmm... Eric Idle, even though he's too old. But he's got the voice I imagine for Gringoire. Ooh, or Jack Davenport... though he's a little too masculine to play Gringoire, but hey, he might have fun doing it. Jehan: RYAN MURPHY (aka Vicious516 on YouTube.) He's exactly who I imagine when I read the book. Clopin: Timothy Spall. SOOO SCARRRY. Fleur de Lys: Brittany Snow, of course! ^_^ She played Amber Von Tussel! Paquette: Helena Bonham Carter, uglied WAAAY up.
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